Shattered Kingdoms

It may be a bit out of left field but I would be alright, happy even, to see Charm Person replaced with Charm Monster. Make it so you can't charm PCs, since you can't charm people, and expand the pool of suitable tanks beyond the current popular ones which also gives sorcs with RP reasons to not charm individuals another option.

If you're going to remove the PC aspect of the spell so that it is just a tank spell you may as well go all the way. There'd even be more risk for the sorc since the powerful monsters are also aggressive.

oldesword's idea would require a lot of tweaks in order to balance it properly. I don't want to ask for that much effort from the IMMs.

Edoras, you just
o all mode stun
mode stun
c charm tribunalmember
quaff word

If you wind up outlawed for attempting mugging of Baltus, you just turn yourself in, spend a few minutes in jail, and then go try to charm the dude again. Don't say this is a silly hypothetical because I did play a sorc who only PvPed on mode stun and did exactly this. I should have kept him longer because I'm sure I could have gotten charm person changed. That sorc also PKed you.

Also, what about when the sorc is on the defensive or it's neutral territory? That can happen, too, you know.

Every certain 4 mp should count as 1 will, that way it mp actually affected mp spells. as if you don't even need reflex if you have high enough mp.

Wouldn't said tribunal member recall to their own portal stones?

I'm pretty sure you did that against my elf sorc alt, which while I respect, he had saves down the crapper the first time we "fought."

Also, there wasn't an active peacekeeper during your bounty collecting. If there was, then when you tried to pull that junk you wouldn't have had as much success. Well, at least not if that peacekeeper was me.

I posted a log of killing a peacekeeper with Joseph. The peacekeeper tried to use range and stay out of the room that I was in, but I eventually taunted him and charmed him. Unless you mean that you would have killed me when I got out of jail, but all I have to do is be sitting and spam quaff word (or just recall, I guess) to avoid getting ganked when I get out of jail. Or I can just log out and finish my sentence when you aren't around.

And no, lionheart, the way the code is currently set up, when you quaff recall, your charmies come with you, even if they are PCs.

I will also say that with Rorey, I would have been much more comfortable fighting an army of undead than I would have been fighting a sorc who just cast charm person at me.

Maybe this is my two cents being put in where it shouldn't be. And maybe this is D and D talking here, but charm person can be taken as I'm a charming individual in different ways. Maybe I cast a spell on myself physically very quickly to be the sexiest thing 'so and so' has ever seen and he/she'd do anything to be close to me. Maybe I've said the bravest line in the world "mentally" ,mind you, that convinced this big beefy warrior this scrawny sorc thing is just worth following.Or simply put, Sorcs are charming people. It's why they aren't tanks. There's something else about them. An air of mystery. That bad boy persona that makes people just go to them, and charm person heightens that. Hell I'd go as far as saying hypnotic mentalist powers if you really want to be a stickler.

Now that my two cents about why sorcs should not necessarily stop in the middle of a fight to rp charm is done. Should it be tweaked? Maybe just a bit. If it lands that easy on a PC maybe the PC should work some on saving their own skin. This is why we have enchants? Otherwise we're putting priests and the nice sorcs out of business. Should a PC charm recall, no. That's stupid. Should a PC charm occassionally have moments where they wake and go? Wait, where am I what am I doing? Maybe? Maybe the charm can have a timed break for PCs and only PCs.

Like XX can only charm YY for this amount of time. It prevents PC stupidity and believe me there's a possibility for a lot of that. But frankly I like the idea of being able to hide behind Baltus or another NPC charm if I can. Because I roleplay out why they would help me. *GASP* I talk to my charms. I have them talk back to me. Yes okay I'm ordering them to talk to me but how else would I talk to them without imm help? But if that's not possible from a coding perspective then there is surely other fixes, like get rid of Charm and give sorcs summon monster, then. Fair? One with lock pick though since it seems EVERYONE wants sorcs to borrow Fivel.

Hmm... I kinda like this direction. Perhaps instead of a timer, give it a chance per tick that the charm spell breaks. It does make sense, and it does break the "I winness" of charm person spell. Perhaps the chance to break the spell is based on wisdom/willpower.

My only concern with it would be how difficult would it be to make this happen for coding. I'm not a coder, don't really want to pretend I know how. And while I think it may be a brilliant idea it may be one of those "yeah no." ideas of the century and it will only make D cry himself to sleep at night wishing I'd never said anything. Kidding of course. However, if it's possible it'd be great. HINT! If not! Sign me up for summon something cause frankly I really think the idea of squishy sorcs is awesome, but we need to get unsquishy at times and CP was the best way to get around that. (At least in my not so humble opinion)

You could add additional saves at each order, or when health drops below a certain percentage. Or have current health modify the save vs order 1/(current %) so you have 4x your normal will save when your health is at 25%.
They can still charm you, but have to be careful about what they do with you. If you want to make someone kill themselves via charm, you have to be really really charming if they got additional will saves vs charm at 75%, 50% 25% and 10% health with increasing chances of escaping.