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Getting "real" with dwarves
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Author:  Orac [ Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:31 am ]
Post subject:  Getting "real" with dwarves
Dwarves need another point of intelligence. I know they have just been buffed. They got a sweet buff, one of the things I recommeneded too, or at least a variation of it. But honestly, the innate axe and the axe bonus is only good for non-fighter class dwarves.

Dwarven fighters should still not use the axe because axes aren't very good, dwarven casters and bards, the people who will benifit from the axe bonus will still not be seen because they are to stupid to even be of use. I mean my dwarf bard, which I loved, couldn't even sing and dance at the same time. That's how stupid he was.

You might as well not even have dwarf bards or casters if they aren't going to be able to us their spells or sing and dance. Dwarves need another point of int. Even if that means reducing their resistances a bit. The fact is is that unless you want a big handicap dwarves just are not playable for alot of classes.

Help_Dwarf wrote:
Dwarves make excellent fighters and dwarven bands of mercenaries are not
uncommon on the surface world. Although dwarves do have spell casters among
them, they don't have a natural bent toward any magic. Despite their short
stature, they are very strong and their endurance, toughness, and general


health are unsurpassed. They are resistant to poison and disease but find
it quite difficult to swim. Dwarves can also sense disturbances in the
earth and can see in the dark using infravision. Dwarves also train with
axes from a young age which makes them superior axe wielders.


I don't expect this to be acted on but I would like to see Dulrik make a dwarf bard and play for 3 months or any dwarf caster really and see how he likes it. Or perhaps make it easier for bards to sing and dance at the same time.

I suppose the point of this thread is motivated by my lingering resentment of having discovered my dwarf couldn't sing and dance at the same time. Even if it were just fixed so dwarf bards could function I'd be satisfied with that.
Author:  TheCannibal [ Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:55 am ]
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I'm not opposed at all to making dwarf bards able to sing and dance, if a centaur can do it, a dwarf should be able to.

:(

And axes don't suck. You suck with axes.
Author:  Orac [ Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:54 am ]
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I actually haven't played with an axe wielding dwarf since the changes, but I've killed all the other ones. They seem bad to me.
Author:  josephusmaximus3 [ Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:00 pm ]
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Axes suck? Battle-axe is only one point difference than khopesh in accuracy and damage, and was only a few points behind in speed, with the new axe bonus they should be able to hit 4 attackes specced so I dont see why they would not be used.
Author:  Yerlin [ Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:32 pm ]
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The big IF I call it, -IF- b-axes get 4 attacks at dwarven GM without haste then axes are pretty sick, if not they are ho hum.
Author:  WarlordPayne [ Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:01 pm ]
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I could get three attacks frequently with a great axe on a veteran dwarven merc. I'd be pretty surprised if you couldn't get four with a battleaxe at GM.
Author:  Orac [ Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:04 pm ]
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josephusmaximus3 wrote:
Axes suck? Battle-axe is only one point difference than khopesh in accuracy and damage, and was only a few points behind in speed, with the new axe bonus they should be able to hit 4 attackes specced so I dont see why they would not be used.


People say one point this one point that all the time. Can you prove it?
Author:  silmar [ Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:36 pm ]
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One point is not "one point" but is the next ranked weapon in a compare list. It is a false logical asumption to assume that all these steps are the same yet many have made it. Also many compare lists people read off are not complete. Those thing aside its the best way of judging such things.
Author:  Inzy [ Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:36 pm ]
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Dorfs suck.
Even -I- wouldn't play a dwarven caster.
Author:  Jardek [ Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Getting "real" with dwarves
Orac wrote:
But honestly, the innate axe and the axe bonus is only good for non-fighter class dwarves.


I discounted everything you said after I read this.
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